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"Let me tell you how it will be, There's one for you nineteen
for me"
- The Beatles from The Taxman
"We were poor! How poor were we? At Christmastime, we
didn't have tinsle. We used to wait for grandpa to sneeze. I
was so poor that my rich aunt died and in her will I owed her
$20. We were poor!"
- Rodney Dangerfield
January 8th 2002
I've got SUCH a headache.
If you ever want to see me lose my temper really
fast, talk to me about my debt counseling company. I have never
had to deal with such a band of galactic level screw ups in
my life. In a roundabout way, I would guess that they are doing
the job they are supposed to be doing. They are curing me of
any kind of desire to ever be in debt again.
I tell you it would have been better if I had
never even started this venture. Honest to God! These people
are horrible. I once figured that if I had gotten a home equity
loan at a lower interest rate, not only would I NOT have the
problems that I have with these people, but my credit record
would have improved immediately and I would be able to make
a tax deduction on interest payments on my loan (something that
you can't do with a credit card loan).
I remember the day that I spoke with Consumer
Credit Services of South Florida, Inc.* (www.godebtfree.com)
I found them via the internet (something I'd advise never to
do). I spoke with a representative named Marty Bassman and told
him straight out what my problem was. That I was making payments
for a couple of years and they seemed to never go down. I owned
a home, but the payments that I was making were starting to
become a little steep. Not unmanageable, but steep. Marty said
that he could help me. He told me the new payments that I'd
be making and that the interest rates that I was paying would
go down and all I had to do was pay them with money orders on
time every month, never use those credit cards again, and pay
them by the 15th of every month (so that there is no confusion
about the 15th, they were to receive the payment by the 15th,
not me send the payment out on the 15th). He guaranteed that
by 5 years my debt would be gone and my credit would look great.
That was my biggest concern. Making my credit
better. It wasn't bad, it could just be better. I could get
a mortgage for a house but I might not get a credit card. Marty
assured me that I was doing the right thing and that this program
could not possible hurt my credit.
So, I got the contract, and the payment slips
and waited a day to send back the agreement via fax. When I
called back (the next day), Marty had left the company according
to this new representative David Phelps. I spoke to David now.
My impression of him boiled down to washing my hands after I
had handled the phone. He seemed like oiled plastic, if that
makes sense. Once again, I spoke to him about the rates that
Marty assured me and asked if this was going to hurt my credit
history and record. He said that this could not POSSIBLY hurt
my record. He said that in the perspective of any credit agency
that I would be perceived as someone who is making an honest
effort to pay his debts and build a good financial background.
The only catch was that I was to close my credit card accounts
that they were paying off. (As most of them were maxed anyway,
I wasn't going to use them to begin with).
I sent back the contract and sent my first payment.
They said that if I got any harassing calls over the next month,
that it would not be unusual it was part of the payment plan
and it may take some time to get to the credit card's collection
department. (I was not having a warm and fuzzy feeling by this
time. If there is one thing I DO HATE, it is getting calls from
creditors.) But, like they said, the calls started, then the
calls stopped. To be safe, I had American Express do a credit
check on myself and see what it looked like. All the accounts
that I agreed to put on the plan had an addendum that I was
on a consolidation plan and that everything was good.
And everything WAS GOOD, in the beginning. Here's
how every month ran. I get paid every two weeks. Usually, the
second paycheck of the month, I would withdraw money either
from the ATM or would cash my paycheck directly and go to the
local post office and get a money order or a stamp. This would
happen no later than the 3rd of each month. I would send a cover
letter saying that this payment was for the following credit
cards (with the account numbers), my account number with CCSI,
the $318 payment, and the the payment slip. At the bottom of
the letter (as is my custom with all business correspondence,
especially, in the job that I have at present) I attach the
following statement.
"As always, if you have any questions or
comments, please feel free to either call me at the number below
(my home phone number next to my signature) or reply via e-mail
to (my other e-mail address)."
This is one of my catch alls. If there is any
problem that I should be aware of, please call me. Hey, it's
part of being A PROFESSIONAL! The another back doors that I
was keeping was the actual agreed contract and all of the money
order receipts in an envelope (which I still do). The last back
door that I have is that because the money order is from the
US Post Office, guess who the witness is that the payment was
made and cashed. That's right, the US government who could be
called to trace the payments, if they had to. About 90% of the
payments that I made are via the post office. It is only under
extreme duress, that I will go elsewhere.
And so my life was going great in blissful ignorance
of what Consumer Credit Services of South Florida, Inc. was
doing with my payments for a couple of months. Then fate intervened.
My car died.
I had to get another. My car had gone to car
heaven and was not coming back. So, I had gone to the dealership
that my family has given PLENTY of business to (David Michael
Honda of Freehold). It was February and I had just gotten my
Christmas bonus, so I could afford to put some money down on
the car. So, we picked out a nice car, a 1998 used black VW
Jetta, and applied for a car loan. And guesswhat. That's right,
my credit was turned down. Now, bear in mind, I had not missed
a payment in anything for at least 4 years, I was earning over
50K a year with a fortune 500 company and my wife was earning
a decent salary herself. I asked the loan officer** why we were
turned down. He said point blank that it was because I was with
a debt consolidator. The loan officer advised me to get out
of the deal if I could. We had to apply for the car under my
wife's credit with me cosigning the loan....AT A HIGHER RATE!
ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!
It was Saturday, so I couldn't call them until
Monday! So, I boiled. When Monday came, I called to see what
had happened. I got some brainless twit of a representative
that said that it was part of the agreement that I signed. I
went back to the contract. There was nothing in the contract
that said that my credit would be virtually destroyed while
I was on the program. This was NOT part of the deal that I signed.
I signed a deal that was supposed to REPAIR MY CREDIT not make
it worse. I wasn't certain on what I should do. Would it be
better to stop the program and have it be perceived that I couldn't
do it and make an even worse impression on my creditors or should
I stay and ride it out and get out of the program as fast as
I could.
I decided the latter.
But CCSI was not through with me yet. Another
virtual breach of contract was on the way. After I had made
my 27th payment to them, things started to go REALLY bad. In
October of 2001, I was getting calls from US Bank about my Mastercard
account.(Huh?) I asked what was wrong and they said that they
were receiving the payments late. Not wanting to jump the gun
panic and strangle someone straight off the bat, I kept my cool
and explained that the only Mastercard account that I had was
from a debt consolidator and they should have received the last
payment I had made. (Also, bearing in mind that I had proof
in the form on the dated money order on file). I also had to
ask the representative if she had known where she was calling
and reminded her that due to the September 11th Anthrax scare
in Monmouth County and Central New Jersey, mail might have been
delayed and to be patient.
I didn't receive another call for another month.
The Mastercard account was apparently late again. This time
I asked when it was due. The representative said it was due
on the 2nd of the month. I told her that it was impossible for
my payment to be late as I was paying it on the same time, everytime.
Through deductive reasoning, the only two things that could
be going wrong was that the agreed payment date on the contract
was altered or CCSI was sending out the payments late (or both).
I called CCSI again and spoke with another twit. I said that
this one creditor, that they are making payments to keeps calling
me and saying that the payments are late. They said that they
were making the payments as soon as they were coming in. So,
I asked them when on the contract that they had when they were
supposed to receive the payments. They said that they were supposed
to receive payments on the 2nd. (ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!) They
said that they were checking their records and that they were
looking back to when I started the plan in November of 1998
(November? The first money order I have was from September.)
and that it was supposed to be the 2nd. I reminded them that
the contract whose copy I still had, and the first payment I
had made with the receipt (that I still had) indicated that
payment started in September of 1998, was to be receive by them
on the 15th (a date that I had initially specified). They said
they understood and they would fix the problem. They said that
if I wanted this problem to be prevented in the future, that
I would have to make the payment even earlier by two weeks.
So, basically, they wanted me to make a payment a month before
they were due. Let me remind you that they were the debt consolidator
and I was their client. Also, that if they make their payments
late, the creditors and my credit history do not reflect that
they were late but I was late. And they come after me.
Guess what happened the next month. Yup.
The representative called me and said that the
payment was late again. (Of course they make these calls at
8 o'clock at night and there isn't a damn thing you can do about
it to solve the problem.) I spent that sleepless night figuring
how I was going to scream at CCSI. I told them they had half
an hour to fix the problem or the next call I was going to make
was to an attorney for breach of contract. The next call I would
make would be to the Better Business Bureau which they have
so much pride in posting in their web site.
- That all of the payments were made on time
except that one account.
- That I had all of the original documentation
of the agreement that I had made.
- That in telling me that their organization
would make my credit better and in fact were making it worse
by making late payments.
- That if I ever wanted to buy a bigger house
or an additional car that I may not have that possibility
because of mistakes that they had made.
- That I probably would have been better off
with a home equity loan to consolidate my credit and built
a better record with the payments I was making directly to
one creditor.
When I had called them and told them what
I was going to do. They took some action. (Amazing what happens
when you threaten with a legitimate law suit). Their answer was
that they had called the creditor and that they had them make
a note to have them call them instead of me. They reviewed my
contract and (surprise, surprise) I was right. I had suggested
that there might have been a problem with the payment due date,
that they might have changed when the account (which was originally
Corestates Bank of Delaware) went to US Bank and they would have
their best results if they change the due date to one which my
payment would correlate to. They also were saying that apparently
there is a delay between the creditor's Accounts Receivable department
and their Collections department and they weren't certain whether
or not the problem was resolved.
This was last month. All I am really reminded
of is the Latin phrase, "Caveat Emptor". "Let
the buyer beware." What I am hoping for is to get enough
money with this year's bonus (Bwahahahahahahahaaa!!!!) to pay
off one account at a time and redisperse the payment I am making
to my creditors to pay the accounts off faster. I see little
hope in getting a home equity loan with a decent rate to pay
off my existing accounts as CCSI has rather efficiently destroyed
my credit. My advice to anyone reading this rant is to carefully
investigate any debt consolidator you decide to go into a contract
with and check their track record. But even more so, unless
it is a case of bankruptcy, not to do it. Just pay it off by
hook or by crook and don't let these incompetents (who most
likely know less than you do about your loans) get to your money.
These people are consistent on how much they
screw up regularly and how much apathy they have for their own
business. Your credit is not a 9 to 5 business and it is not
something that should ever be taken lightly.
Can you imagine how furious I will be next month?
*- Nice pretty site, huh? If you only knew how many other
shmoes like me they have conned. I had read an e-pinion about
them once after the fact and this guy hated them almost as much
as I do.
**- Believe it or not I come from an upper middle class family.
My family has given more business to David Michael Honda than
most other customer. My father has bought his last 4 cars from
them and has them do any of his regular maintenance and body
work. My sister and brother-in-law bought their last 3 cars
there. My wife and I had bought our last 3 cars from them and
have our maintenance and body work done there as well. Also,
my eldest sister has a VW from them as well. We usually get
preferred service and me getting the loan officer to level with
me as to why I did not get the loan was no big accomplishment.
The car dealership had more to lose than just my sale, if I
was not happy.
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